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obama fails. just thought this needed to be said | |
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Indeed Indeed, it will be interesting on what he does with Akmadinaja's(sorry I have no idea how to spell it) threats to hurt the US in a big way next Thursday. | |
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are you aware that a) this is a predominantly liberally oriented gaming community (hows THAT for unnecessarily complex language), b) that image is really not very funny, since its assumed that she bowed first or he did prior research before visiting them, making the implication that he is racist irrelevant; obama isnt an idiot, not even most republicans think that, c) this is the kind of thing that keeps you from getting into clans more than your gameplay, and d) making fun of obama really at all is nowhere near as accepted as making fun of bush was, since obama is actually doing some calculable good (no one comment on that last one, most of us do think that)? just thought that needed to be said | |
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lol white knight you totally misinterpreted his post xD | |
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Dark you're.... 13? 14? Maybe 12? Read some news, Obama has done more than you can imagine in the last day releasing a new budget that will lessen the deficit (if you even know what that means) in the economy by billions of dollars. Lets not bring up that horrific picture of yours, again. | |
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no other US president has ever bowed to anyone. he bows in the place of the people, and he has bowed to the president of vietnam, south korea, and this is the frigging MAYOR of tampa, i mean really its completely innapropriate for him to bow down like that | |
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fuck you guys i fucking hate fucking american politics i mean i don't make a fucking thread if fucking turkey should join the fucking EU or something | |
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really? THATS your complaint about obama? you really need to stop talking about politics right now, you look quite stupid, especially since thats not even true, obviously US presidents have bowed to other people before. seriously, this is the kind of thing that gives conservatives bad rep; its not like all conservatives suck (im a liberal so i have the right to say this :)) its just when you people do crap like this, people cant ever take you seriously. this topic was such a fail... at hono: fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck! | |
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that is ey fantastic point. hon, i gotta say, that is just a brilliant post u made. my homes in swiss and my 12, dont care, dont care, dont care.. i dont even know why i made this post, i just felt like posting something.. .. .... | |
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This will take awhile to type out..... @ Mag- The only thing I agree on is the fact that this is a liberal gaming community with the exception of me, dark, duke, and native. As for your comment he's doing calculable good, I don't agree. He has brought on more debt in 1 year than what Bush brought on in 8 years. And when you're saying, "oh, other presidents have bowed to others before," please give me the name of the president. @ Emerica- I don't think it matters someone's age as it does their intellectual ability to argue for policy and ethics. His new budget does nothing but raise taxes on the upper classes which doesn't reduce deficit, it increases it. My thought: Obama has done nothing but increased taxes, and is trying to push Obamacare down our throats when about 60% of America doesn't want it. He has increased welfare spending as well. It's not the government's job to make sure you have food to eat or adequate healthcare. It's their job as in the Declaration of Independence to: ensure life liberty and the pursuit of happiness to all citizens. You still have liberty if you don't have healthcare. And if the government is giving you something who is ultimately paying for it? The taxpayer, and its not my job to make sure everyone is treated when they have cancer because its not my problem. Not trying to sound in compassionate but that's the way it is. Hope this post won't create any hard feelings but rather get us articulating our views on government. P.S. Dark why did you post this? It's a gaming website not Rushlimbaugh.com lol | |
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would anyone who is a) a fucking idiot b) under the age of 15 c) european, with your own problems and imperfect governments d) a fucking idiot e) completely misinformed and under read on these issues please, shut the fuck up. | |
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"It's not the government's job to make sure you have food to eat or adequate healthcare. It's [the government's] job as in the Declaration of Independence to: ensure life liberty and the pursuit of happiness to all citizens." Hmm... I see a huge flaw in your argument. For a government that has a declaration suggesting they "ensure" life, wouldn't it be their job to keep people from starving or perishing from diseases? If you are planning on using those words for an argument, be sure to make your point fit. The words "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," can be interpreted very differently from person to person. What you deem the declaration protects in "life," maybe the government taking someone's life. Others may see it as a way to protect fetus's from being aborted, while maybe, just maybe, Obama see's it as giving universal healthcare. I'm not here to say which side is right or wrong, but you need to be able to make a valid and solid argument. Your last statement is too flawed to take seriously. | |
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and for the record, knight, you couldn't be more wrong. you're miscontruing the facts, which is laughable with all the info out there. is fox news hiring? he hasn't 'brought on more debt in one year than bush did in eight', the debt was already there, the problems creating that debt were already there...before he took office. maybe you should do a little research to see JUST how much bad bush did financially. we had a surplus. a balanced budget. that's unheard of. 5-5= 0 0-5=-5 5-10= -5 we were a 5 that lost 10, not a 0 that lost 5. this was under bush's watch. that's about as simple as i can make the us economy. but we're not talking about bush. we're talking about obama. there are some very black and white satistics out there that you can go find that prove beyond a doubt that president obama's stimulus package as well as several other initiatives have prevented additional debt, not caused it. i don't think he's perfect, but unfounded, ignorant criticism is unacceptable. | |
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also, i am at this point insulted at being simply a 'imited member' obviously, i am a 'UNLIMITED MEMBER'. | |
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Oh and for the record. Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton both bowed to the Emperor of Japan. Please White Knight pull your head out of your ass and do some research. You don't have to like Obama or even agree with anything liberal Americans think, but that is no excuse for being lazy and not doing any research.
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White- When the age of the person indefinitely obscures their views and rationality, then their age does reflect their intellectual ability to argue politics. When they obtain their news resources they're using the least bit of information to make their claims, like presidents bowing for others makes him less of a significant person. Now for politics and in your case, economics. Pushing money into the welfare spending is the easiest and fastest way of boosting our economy. If you believe that we must neglect the economy and the need for it to be stimulated, then you have a lot of reading and learning to do. Of course the new budget won't have an immediate effect, do you expect Obama to be able to press a button and pull us out our $3.8 BILLION deficit? I certainly hope not - it will take some time to repair after the foolish mistakes by George Bush and crew. | |
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Well, I am here to say which side is right and wrong. I'm a 21 year-old student who has seen a lot of stuff. I've also been studying medical anthropology and health policy for the past three years and plan to attend medical school after college. I decided a long time ago that what I wanted to do with my life was work to demand the best health care for the world's poorest people. It started when my father was diagnosed with an acute form of leukemia when I was in middle school - I witnessed the miracles that modern medicine can work at its best. A complete stranger living across the country was able to save his life by means of a bone marrow transplant, and my life was indirectly saved as well because I got to grow up knowing my best friend. Several years later, I began volunteering at a health clinic in downtown Los Angeles and with a monthly medical mission to Tijuana, Mexico - I met men with the same disease as my father who were not able to afford the treatment or had had their coverage dropped by their insurance companies because of unacceptable legislative loopholes used by indifferent pen pushers practicing the terrorism of money. Their children were just like me, except their fathers were going to die because they had been born into a different set of socioeconomic circumstances. This past March, my father passed away from a deadly form of pneumonia that generally afflicts poor patients who have been immunocompromised (their immune system has been weakened by chemotherapy/HIV/malnutrition). He spent his career as a lawyer fighting against health related inequalities propped up by our government's support of corrupt insurance companies. Right now, I am working at a pediatric clinic in Tanzania (East Africa) and have already met many children with the same type of pneumonia my father died from. They are not lazy, they are not stupid, their parents are not unwilling to work (in fact, most work 14 hours every day to earn less than $2), but many of them will die because they do not have access to treatment for this and other diseases. These people I've met in the United States, Mexico, Tanzania and elsewhere can vote and hold peaceful demonstrations, but they are told that they cannot share in the benefits of modern medicine because they are not worth it. That is not acceptable. Not in my country, and not in this world. We're talking about human beings here, not animals and not stocks. The right to life is more than just the protection from physical assault - a real human rights perspective like that professed by the United States and the world's major religions (especially mine - Christianity) needs to take into account STRUCTURAL violence such as that caused by inequalities in health outcomes. If it is the responsibility of the state to protect its people, this responsibility must include protection from death by not only foreign sword but also by poverty and pathogen. Someone you all probably respect, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., once wrote: "Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in health is the most shocking and the most inhumane." Indeed - if someone doesn't have access to lifesaving medical care when they need it most, no amount of civil or political rights will do them any good. It's pretty tough to pursue happiness when you're coughing up blood from your untreated tuberculosis when you know that cheap and effective drugs for your illness have existed since the 1940s but that you cannot afford them. On the topic of personal agency and responsibility for economic circumstances, the "work harder" response simply doesn't hold water. Most of the uninsured people in our country work full-time jobs, yet almost 50,000 Americans still die every single year because they cannot afford insurance. Why are these people and billions of others around the world poor in the first place? They came into this life with the same faculties as you or I, but they did not have the same opportunities - instead, they had to deal with the structural violence of poverty or neocolonialism or racism or economic exploitation. You need to look deeper than the easy answers spoon-fed to you by the people who already have everything through an accident of birth. One of my favorite writers, Bertolt Brecht wrote: "The branch that breaks is called rotten, but wasn't there snow on it?" Our country is supposedly willing to expend American dollars and lives to protect the civil freedoms of peoples around the globe - but what about their social and economic rights that we ourselves have walked all over? If others are poor because you are not, does that not also provide you with some responsibility for joining their struggle for basic rights? Last but not least, you need to re-evaluate the oft-cited economic perspective. Using the basic bottom-line to evaluate success, our current unequal system does not make sense. When uninsured Americans and illegal immigrants reach critical status as a result of not having access to necessary treatment (much less preventative care), where do you think they go? They are taken to our nation's emergency rooms and trauma centers, where they are legally required by our national laws to receive whatever expensive critical care they need to be stabilized or before they die. These are the most expensive treatments that often could have been prevented by simple inexpensive primary care checkups and regular medical attention, but now thousands of dollars are being spent to get them stable so that they can be kicked out of the hospital until the next time that their lack of medical care leads them to the ER in critical condition. This is why over 30 percent of health care dollars in this country are spent on the last year of life. Who's paying for that right now - within the status quo that everyone is so satisfied with? You, me, your grandmother, your grandkids! Wouldn't it make more sense to pay less for higher quality care outside of our last line of defense at the ER AND actually make sure our country lives up to its promises to protect its citizens and honor its responsibility to the rest of the world? You bet your ass. The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights were written over two centuries ago, when medical care consisted of leeches and bloodletting. It's time to open our eyes and realize that health care cannot and must not be a commodity but a central human right.
"The buzzard has nothing to fault himself with. Scruples are alien to the black panther. Piranhas do not doubt the rightness of their actions. The rattlesnake approves of himself without reservations. The self-critical jackal does not exist. The locust, alligator, mosquito, horsefly live as they live and are glad of it. The killer-whale's heart weighs one hundred kilos but in other respects it is light. There is nothing more animal-like than a clear conscience on the third planet of the Sun." -Wislawa Szymborska | |
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And holy shit that was long haha - I guess that's what you get during a slow day at the clinic when there's nothing to do but yell at people back home about health care. | |
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-- I can picture a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
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@ icourt- thanks for making me re think. I will define life and liberty and pursuit of happiness now. life- The ability to live in a free country and not be prosecuted for your beliefs. This is pro-life. liberty- The reason government is in existence. The reason for war, to protect our rights against communists. pursuit of happiness- Your ability to go out and make it happen for yourself with your life and liberty secured. @emerica and gabe- Gabe, your right, there was a surplus when Bush came in. He was an idiot as far as economics go, he passed every spending bill that came on top of his desk, he bailed out the banks. This was bad. It incurred deficit. But Obama did not learn from this. He has passed every spending bill in front of him. He has broken campaign promises. He said no taxes would be raised for people making less than 250k a year. Well, I know that my parents taxes have risen. What if you smoke. He rose the cigarette tax and unless everyone that smokes makes more than 250k a year he has broken yet another promise. @ Madness- Very sorry about your dad. Quite frankly though, its not the governments job to pay for people's healthcare. If I want to pay for people's healthcare, then I will donate my damn money to a private organization like my church that does this in other countries. The government shouldn't be owning business. Shouldn't be bailing them out. Should they take over 1/6 of the US economy? Hell no, that's not why government is here to do. Is it to make sure everyone has money so they give welfare checks? Hell no, if I want someone to have money that I earned than maybe I will give it to them. Not have the government take my money and give it to the poor in the name of "economic stimulus". Thank you, I now stand open for cross examination. | |
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"liberty- The reason government is in existence. The reason for war, to protect our rights against communists" Hmm... liberty is to protect us from Communism? Did you ever take American history... remember that little battle between the United States and Great Britan? What about tyrannical leaders? What about totalitarianism, theocracies, monarchy, and dictatorships? Your world view is so narrow. | |
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