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Skyocaro
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hi everybody

i just had some time left and tryed something vs that 21 musekt rush after 6 mins etc..

the easiest counter is just to age as brits with 10 villis and 3 houses, after that u build a fb and spamm some longbows + ships 6 longbows and all that stuff. also a market + upgrade for wood and there, 16 or 21 longbows after 5:20 - 6 mins

i know hastings allready sayed that in his strategy but i just wanted to remind everybody that 21 musket rush is really damn easy to beat

u can also spam 10 - 15 hussars and its done..;)


but if u still wanna do it, i would also get some longbows or something, at least ship em.

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February 26, 2010 at 9:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Drag
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Any one unit rush spam generally sucks.

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February 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Skyocaro
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ye

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February 26, 2010 at 10:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

never summer
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Check out the recorded games section.  The first game between Hastings and Love shows just how deadly the musket rush can be.  Not because it's OP, but because no one expects it.

February 28, 2010 at 8:37 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Skyocaro
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yeah, that is true, but if you check his deck its actually pretty easy again..

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March 1, 2010 at 6:09 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Magnificen† [£eg¡øn]
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Skyocaro at 06:09AM on Mar 01, 2010

yeah, that is true, but if you check his deck its actually pretty easy again..

skyo u asshole, u have gone to fucking far this time..

i dont give a crap if the comunity hates me, or if anybody posts a shit about how annoyng i am, but ffs skyo u retard, stop posting shit like this and fucking 1v1 me, well see who the shit will get there ass wiped off u newb. i have been playng for over 3 years this shit game and i am the fucking 100 times better than u, got that? if u say i am a 12 year old prick and dont play me, ur the fucking little kid ok

play me if u have the balls or just think ur better than me and leav me blocked

 


waiting for u on gameranger

and ps, vozohe, dont delete this post i warn u


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March 1, 2010 at 8:27 AM Flag Quote & Reply

{GÅG} Duke
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Nice copy paste! :tongue:

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March 1, 2010 at 9:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Skyocaro
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lulz, that doesent really makes sence but its funny thougt

oh and btw, sure i can 1v1 u, why not?


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March 1, 2010 at 10:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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March 1, 2010 at 11:37 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Skyocaro
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ROFL LMAO

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March 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM Flag Quote & Reply

|V| emerica.
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You plan on taking out a musk rush with an lb spam? Or 10-15 hussars? I don't see your logic. Going against another brit will allow them to see your LBs and fall back immediately, where they can easily switch to the cav/musk combo.

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March 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Skyocaro
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musket rush is so risky, that when u go back and boom or something, 10 pikes + 16 lnbs would beat the crap out of that musket rush. and actually the fall back is pretty hard because in that rush, eco isn't really the best if u know what im saying.. 

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March 1, 2010 at 1:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Hastings
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The 21 musket rush was created before xbows got a boost vs HI, so it is definately not as strong as it used to be.


However, the nice thing about this rush is, that it has a nice economy with a decent military force. If you age up with only 10 vills as brits to counter this (I wouldn't suggest doing a 21 musket rush in a brit mirror anyway), while I age up with 17-18 (depending on starting crates) my economy will be so strong, I could probably even fight cost inefficiently and still come out on top.


When rushing with muskets you don't run in and get killed when you see lbs. You keep pressuring whithout losing units, and retreating once you see his lbs coming. Longbows beat muskets on paper, but what is their use if they can't get at my muskets? I just fall back once you push out.

Doing this I will have some map control, securing hunts/gold mines with manors and after sending 700 wood (my 3rd card in colonial) I can add a stable and make hussars. Musket/hussars beats pike/longbows after mid colonial, so as long as I can keep my first muskets alive, I should be fine.


In a side note. Whenever you are in a brit mirror, you should either do a hussar start, or do a longbow start, so all this is quite pointless.

March 1, 2010 at 3:02 PM Flag Quote & Reply

iCourt

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No, if your british you're going to be fine as far as eco goes. Even if you musket rush, you can quickly switch to cavalry, as well as boom with wood and villager cards. Eventually a musket+hussar combo will beat out a longbow+pike combo. Either way though, british rushing each other in a mirror isn't the best idea. This is better against crossbow civs and sioux. It's not an end all strategy, but it doesn't mean it's bad either. 


Also making hussar against a musket rush will result in you losing unless you are france.

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March 1, 2010 at 3:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

never summer
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Hastings back from the dead?


Skyocaro is right in some respect.  The musket rush is risky, but only against certain civs.  These are the civs that are able to produce RI quickly (France, Germany, etc..... and yes, Brits).  But you wouldn't have to age with 10 villagers.  The magic number for a Brit counter-rush is around 14-15.


Hastings pretty much hit the nail on the head by describing what to do if you should run into some trouble with the rush.  Basically, just use common sense.



 

March 1, 2010 at 3:57 PM Flag Quote & Reply

landers
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Magnificen† [£eg¡øn] at 08:27AM on Mar 01, 2010

Skyocaro at 06:09AM on Mar 01, 2010

yeah, that is true, but if you check his deck its actually pretty easy again..

skyo u asshole, u have gone to fucking far this time..

i dont give a crap if the comunity hates me, or if anybody posts a shit about how annoyng i am, but ffs skyo u retard, stop posting shit like this and fucking 1v1 me, well see who the shit will get there ass wiped off u newb. i have been playng for over 3 years this shit game and i am the fucking 100 times better than u, got that? if u say i am a 12 year old prick and dont play me, ur the fucking little kid ok

play me if u have the balls or just think ur better than me and leav me blocked

 


waiting for u on gameranger

and ps, vozohe, dont delete this post i warn u


What did he say? Haha, i must be missing something here.  U quoted a post that was responding to a Hastings/Love recording.  Vozohe.....delete....delete... ha ha.....he warned u.   lmao!

March 1, 2010 at 4:05 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Magnificen† [£eg¡øn]
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landers: http://www.vclan.net/apps/forums/topics/show/2179178-jg?page=last


and duke obviously i copy pasted haha but still

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March 1, 2010 at 4:37 PM Flag Quote & Reply

|V| emerica.
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Hastings at 03:02PM on Mar 01, 2010

The 21 musket rush was created before xbows got a boost vs HI, so it is definately not as strong as it used to be.


However, the nice thing about this rush is, that it has a nice economy with a decent military force. If you age up with only 10 vills as brits to counter this (I wouldn't suggest doing a 21 musket rush in a brit mirror anyway), while I age up with 17-18 (depending on starting crates) my economy will be so strong, I could probably even fight cost inefficiently and still come out on top.


When rushing with muskets you don't run in and get killed when you see lbs. You keep pressuring whithout losing units, and retreating once you see his lbs coming. Longbows beat muskets on paper, but what is their use if they can't get at my muskets? I just fall back once you push out.

Doing this I will have some map control, securing hunts/gold mines with manors and after sending 700 wood (my 3rd card in colonial) I can add a stable and make hussars. Musket/hussars beats pike/longbows after mid colonial, so as long as I can keep my first muskets alive, I should be fine.


In a side note. Whenever you are in a brit mirror, you should either do a hussar start, or do a longbow start, so all this is quite pointless.

Exactly :)!

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March 1, 2010 at 6:07 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Mînµs.ØdØ
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hey emerica, lets change that sig shall we? tanks bra

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March 2, 2010 at 1:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Mînµs.ØdØ at 01:22AM on Mar 02, 2010

hey emerica, lets change that sig shall we? tanks bra

minus let's be 30 and play video games, thanks. if you'd like to discuss the future of your life, i'll sum it up with this picture. 


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March 2, 2010 at 3:50 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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